Wow! Thanks to all for caring and sharing notes about your furry pals. They have really brightened my otherwise dismal day. I feel like I have friends here, it's a good feeling! Non pet lovers can't understand how much they get to be part of the family - unfortunately, I have to include my SO in that group, but to his credit, he cried too when I had to bring her. Larry> now I know how YOU felt ... BTW did you get my E-mail THIS time???

Daisy, I had already tried what you suggested, I ended up donig what Glenn suggested. Maybe you can help with this...I have a picture of a B-day cake and my chart on top of that..it is printing right now and the cake isn't there...this is my first attempt as this kind of project.

Michael, congratulations, and thanks for notifiying the room on the way out the door. I hope that three or four minutes doesn't come back to haunt you 15 or 20 years down the road. Good luck, and best wishes to you, Jocelyn and the triplets.

Michael is pretty ingenious he may have a lap top and a cell phone:-) BTW Michael all the best. I shure hope all goes well. And good luck in the future. You are going to need it. I hope you make tons of money or maybe, win the lottery.

OK...who's the official one that's going to let us all know about the triplets, that is besides Michael? I can just see him now, last one is out, he leans over and gives Jocelyn a little peck on the cheek, and off to the computer he goes to jump on the chat and update his page. Linda, so sorry to hear about your little friend. I had to do that last July with Gin-Gin that I'd had since she was 3, she was 15 when I had to let her go. 2 days later, we saved another little one that had her D-day coming up in 3 days from then at the shelter. We hadn't planned to add to the family that quickly, but she needed a family and we needed a little furry one. It helped me get through the sorrow a little easier, having a little one to hold on to and catch my tears. Best wishes to you.

Oh, you're fast tonight. (Maybe too fast on the e-mail trigger. ~L~) Must be that those warm, cozy socks I sent are making you feel frisky.

Ok, did you try selecting what you imported, click on Arrange, then Position, Full Size? I don't know what else to do. I don't have Excel so that I can experiment with it myself. sorry

Hello Melissa if you have the project the way you want it in Excell, print it and scan it into PM Then you can right click on the graphic select Position then select full page. You might try this last part before you scan. It will probably work.

Hello folks. Michael is off to the hospital and we all know what that means. Diapers, bottles, feedings, dressings, holdings.....for THREE!!! Three cheers for you and the wife Michael. Come back and see us some time (tongue in cheek). Cheers. Jill

   ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- <dbrinsfield@mci.com> Try again Debbie the address is wrong.

Melissa the error in the address is the period after the d.

I used tall. I even tried using letterhead thinking the poster size might be to large of a field to fill in. Melissa

Linda, sorry to hear about you friend, I know how hard that is to do as I took my pup last month. She was 15yrs old and it's like saying goodby to a member of the family. The best thing to remember is as much pleasure as she or he gave you, you gave them the same Pat

I just tried to e-mail you but it keeps coming back. Is this right? d.brinsfield@mci2000.com ? Melissa

This may be a stupid question, but do you have the poster orientation set to tall or wide? *Yes, I was excited to see that the babies are on the way. Knew it was too late to send congrats. here. Can't you just hear him saying to his wife, "Wait honey, I have to notify the PM chat users." ~LOL~ Wishing them all the best too.

I don't know about anyone else but I am realy excited for Michael and his wife. Thre babies at once!! Whew!!! I guess we should get started making our cards of Congrats. Anybody know of any cliparts sites that have babies??

I have a document in Microsoft Excel that I want to bring into PM. I chose poster and pasted it but I am unable to stretch it out to fill the project area. Will what I am trying to do work??? Is there an easier way to make 12 boxes on PM?? I asked for some help about two days ago and I need to get this done by tomorrow night. Thanks, Melissa

Has anyone experienced this problem? I have upgraded to Print Master Plantinum. Downloading was successful. Art CD 1, Art CD 2 and Photos CD5 can be downloaded. I cannot enter into Art CD3 and Photos CD 4. I wrote to technical support. They e-mailed me the instructions from the booklet. I checked all their suggestions. Still cannot download Art CD 3 and Photos CD 4. Any suggestions will be helpful Larry

Will someone please e-mail. I just got a modem so going on line is new and confusing, but want to learn.

Well, I am just not supposed to have this program, Maurice. Downloaded the full install version from that site and it still wouldn't convert the setup, except now it just gives an Error message, so I uninstalled it. Eleanor

Triplets coming - on the way to the hospital. Tell you all about it!

Thanks for the advice

Never mind, I figured it out. I cannot right click in a frame to Add to Favorites or it just goes to that frame alone. I had to go into 'Organize Favorites' , right click then select New, Shortcut, and enter in (paste) the address, give it a name. TA-DA!

Papasan just fill out the registration form and skip the number and send it. It will register and enable your free fonts and graphics. If not go to the top of the chat page and click on printmaster support and there is a registration page there. They E-Mail you a reg. Number.

Ok, when I copy and pasted the address into the address bar it worked and I saw the buttons again, but when I use my favorites/bookmark I see no buttons. Why? *Downloading socks to wear - I COULD tell you, but that would be enabling your dependency on me to retrieve your socks again so you'll have to figure it out on your own.

Where do I find my resistration number? I just bought this program Print Masater Gold. I wanted to register it but don't where to find the number it asks for.

Hi Eleanor, those are utilities to see movies on your computer. If your computer complained about not finding VB40032.DLL, it means you don't have those 2 utilities installed. Get the FULL INSTALL and you'll be okay. --- I am off to dance the evening and night away. See you all tomorrow. Maurice.

Sorry, that was Tgrad and not Tgard (told you the computer gets even)

Hello Daisy, I got the socks in my E-Mail but, I don't know how to download them so that I can wear them. You didn't include any instructions. It was nice of you to wash and dry them and send them to me all warmed up.

OK, Maurice...Read your post about the installation that will give me the file this expensive, "with everything we could possibly want" machine does not have. Now, I have a new problem. What is Visual Basic and what are MPEG movies? One would think that after all the files I had searched today, that I would have come across them but if there is anything I have learned from dealing with a computer it is to take NOTHING for granted. The minute you do, it reaches out and takes away what you have been working on! I'll bet you wish Stuart never posted the Tgard site...eleanor.

I just read my last post and I spelled decrepit deceipit. Hey, I don't have Daisy's excuse of five hours sleep. It must have been Shug's "evil eye". I am kinda disappointed, Maurice, that they can't be your socks, since you don't wear any, cause I had visions of dancing in them. Maurice, what did you think of the ballroom competition on Wednesday nite. I watched enthralled. Did you have a favorite? Michael, I hope the waiting is about over. My twins, at work, were a year old today and I surely miss my camcorder that was stolen a year ago. They are so entertaining that if I had them living here, I wouldn't ever have to watch tv again! Just look what you have to look forward to. My best wishes to you and Jocelyn. Also thanks for the tips on your website. I have already used them lots. Bev and Shug

http://members.xoom.com/mbgoldberg/

The Printmaster Button on Michael's site is located on the left hand side of the page click on it and it will take you to another page where you can access the download pages.

Hey, I see what you mean. There used to be a button to click on to go to Print Master tips and ideas. Must be under construction or something.

Linda> so sorry about your furry friend. I know how awful it feels to lose one. I had to have mine put to sleep & it was the hardest decision to make. But it's just as hard to see them suffer, knowing they won't get better. I vowed I'd never get another--but in a month I had a puppy, Manchester Terrier named Sammy. And boy is he spoiled! He doesn't know he's a dog.<G> Maurice> well now we know the real reason you moved to Arizona. Not to get away from mowing grass & shoveling snow--but so you don't have to wear socks! Thank goodness-Daisy has her hands full keeping track of Glenn & Larry. What would she do with one more?!? Sharon> glad to hear there was no permanent damage to your husbands heart & hope the meds are only temporary too. Donna

pm chat #18 has been mailed. *** it seems that maybe things are faster? *** to be added to the list, or removed from the print master chat archive, send a note to jim@kjs-a.com. *** later!

Bev - Don't blame me for your piccadillos. ~LOL~ I know for a fact that Glenn received his socks. * Maurice - So now you only lose your socks in pairs, right? *Lee - (Men can't keep track of socks) Try this - put them in the drawer, but under the briefs. They'll think they are all gone until they run out of underwear. ha ha * Serious Question - PM does not recognize ZIP drive. Tells me check if the door is close or disk is inserted. I have to copy my extra graphics to the hard drive before I can use them. Why or why not?

I hear you all talk about the download area on Michaels site, what am I missing when I visit is. members.xoom.com/mbgoldberg/HomeMain.html Where is it. Thank you

Lee I forgot you wanted to know about memory, obviously the computer has more than I do. I have 48 MB ram and a 2.1 GB HD Bill

Lee, I don't know if I will ever use the Windows version of PM gold, but it is nice to know that virtual PC will run it all right. I use a MAC Clone, a Motorola Starmax 5000 with a 603EV chip at 225mhz. works pretty well, and I have OS8.1 installed Bill

Maurice, shame on you. You told me you didn't wear socks. I think you are just trying to say what we each want to hear. Guess I have no choice about forgiving you, if I expect to get more help that is. It must have been very difficult to get your shoes on with your socks stuck together. CU Later, Jackie

Hi Lee, my wife is so neat so even sewed press buttons on my socks, so they will stay together in the dryer. The first time I forgot to take them apart before putting them on, and I had a heck of a time to figure that one out. Maurice.

Should have been Onsale Auctions in case anyone is interested. Can get some neat things at decent prices. Sometimes worth it to "try it out"!

Hi All! Linda, Sorry to hear about your fuzzy one, I dread the day something happens to my "Bo". It took me 14 yrs. the last time to get up the courage to "try again" after loosing my buddy. My sons keepying asking me how come I spoil the dog but never them, I just tell them he was easier to "potty train" and I'm forever grateful! ..Bill, I can't believe it, I'm in the process of doing the same thing!! I bought a copy of Virtual PC from a guy through Erols Classifieds and bought the upgrade on-line. I bought a copy of PMG 3.0 Windows at Osale Auction(was only $13) figured if it worked OK then I'd upgrade to PMG 4.0 Windows. Glad to hear it works better even though slower. What kind of Mac do you have? RAM and Mhz? Of course that's why they finally came up with the Patch!...Bet Maurice never loses his socks because his wife is probably one of those neat people who take the time to hook them together before she puts them in the dryer!! Never heard of a man yet that could keep track of his own socks! That's why they never believe that the dryer ate them! Hey, Helga, how are you doing! Sounds like there's gonna be babies soon!!

Thanks Maurice I will do it that way. I wasn't sure if I could do it like that I am always afraid that I will delete a file that another program is using.... I downloaded Tek Gradator this morning and have been playing with it most of the afternoon, (we are having a bad weather day out here in the East, it's been raining all day)not much to do but sit at the computer.... Doreen

Hi Sharon, the thing listens to the name of TGRAD211.EXE. Maurice.

How do I change the paper size in a half-fold card?

I downloaded the tgrad and have now lost it somewhere in my computer. Does anyone know the name the file creates when downloaded to disk? I don't even know what I'm looking for...Thanks Sharon...

Hi Doreen, the easiest way is to use the Windows Explorer. (Programs > Explorer) Find the Juno directory. Click on it. It will show subdirectories. Click on each one separately. It will show files each time. Hold down the CNTRL key will you click on each file. They will all become highlighted. Once that accomplished, click on FILE and DELETE. Say YES if asked. Do the same for each subdirectory and finally for the Juno directory itself. You will easily gain about 8 MB on your hard drive. Maurice.

Hi Jackie, when you batch convert files, all the files still stay separate. They never become one huge file. So, I don't think you will have the same problem. --- By the way, I live in the southwest of Arizona, where it is always warm, even in the deepest of winter. Hence, we never use socks. That is why I don't have a problem keeping track of them. Maurice.

Hi Everybody, the Tgrade program that Stuart discovered is a beauty. Some people (including Eleanor) had trouble installing it. The installation is a bit confusing, I must admit. The simple ZIPped download version does not contain DLL nor OLE files, necessary for it to run. It relies on your system already having those files installed when you installed Visual Basic. That is why it will complain at installation that certain DLL files are missing, if you don't have Visual Basic installed on your system. For those who are experiencing that problem, please go the TEK site itself, http://village.infoweb.ne.jp/~tek/index.htm and download the FULL INSTALLATION SUPPORT program. But DO NOT USE THIS VERSION OF YOU HAVE VISUAL BASIC ALREADY INSTALLED ON YOUR SYSTEM. (It would replace certain system files and your MPEG movies would not play anymore) But the full installation version is easy to install, the usual way through "install/remove programs" in Setup. Maurice.

Thank you Maurice for the help, I'll try it out. I want to make a banner for my mom with all the kids grandkids greatandetc. I downloaded the demo of Stuarts on Michaels site but it opened as symbols. I haven't been able to get the zip program to do what I think it should. Maybe I'm doing it wrong....any ideas....Sharon

Hi Maurice, I read your post about scanning, would the same thing happen if you convert documents in a batch. Am amazed that you have been able to keep track of your socks :-). Hugs/Smiles Jackie

Will someone E_mail me at fatbomb@yahoo.com

Maurice I had seen an old post that you had written concerning removing I think temp files from Juno? I have juno on my computer as a second e-mail service and since I don't use it that often I would like to remove it. I tried using add remove programs but it wasn't there. do you know how I would go about removing it completly from my computer? Thanks Doreen PS thanks for the information on the James River paper I emailed them to try to find a place around here that sells the paper.

Hi Sharon, PMG will print banners with cut and glue marks. The dotted lines are cut marks. The cross hair dotted lines are glue or join marks. I use it all the time. Works like a charm. Maurice.

My printer is a Canon bjc 7000 and it doesn't have a setting for banners. Is there a way to print a banner anyway? I'm very happy with this printer or rather was very happy with this printer, untill today. Any help would be appreciated...Thanks....Sharon

Hi Michael, Many prayers are with you and Jocelyn as you await the birth of those babies! God bless...Eleanor

Thanks, Doreen. Jocelyn is well but increased contractions. Could be any time. I've just put up some more templates - 2 bookmarks & 2 pencil holder labels. Michael

Hi Linda, First, let me tell you how sorry I was to read about your loss of one of your pets. Having been through that a few times, myself, it is rough and it takes a lot out of you. On another note, thank you for teaching me something about Windows that I had never seen -- knew there were hidden files but thought that if I initiated a File Search they would tell me that! Welll...I found a ton of dll and V files but, unfortunately, none of them was a VB40032.dll or even the one Maurice had found on his, the VB0032.dll. So, I don't know if we ever had one but the time I spent was not wasted. It was a learning experience. Now, if only the gremlins who took away my file, would put it back. Do you think it got stuck in the toe of that missing sock??

Michael just visited your page to download that candy wrapper. Stuarts demo was great. Yes, I saw the second page. For anyone viewing it make sure you click on the box and drag it down on the bottom because there is more hidden on the page. Michael, how is your wife feeling? We can't wait to hear about the triplets.... Thanks Doreen PS Hope your feeling better

Folks - Just received the candy wrapper template from Marty & have posted it on the website. (I'm at home this morning, sick with some bug). Michael

Eleanor, When you open Explorer, go to VIEW and make sure that Show All Files is selected. Normally windows hides .dll files (and some other types as well). Good luck!

Doreen - I finally got to see Stuart's example - pretty sharp, huh? The second page of the newsletter gives more detailed instructions - did you see them? Thanks again, Stuart, for doing that! Michael

Hi again, Maurice....Just spent the better part of an hour looking in Windows System Files, going through the Explorer and then the "Find File" program, also went through the entire Help menu and cannot find even one VB file. Not only that, searched for "dll" files and came up with only one and that not related. I have downloaded other shareware without a problem. Can't figure this one out!! I am wondering if it became deleted and if I can reinstall it using the Windows 95 CD. Don't really know how to accomplish that, either. Oh, well, maybe it will remain one of the unsolved cyber mysteries.....Thanks for trying....Eleanor

Good morning Eleanor, we are just rubbing the sleep out of our eyes here in Arizona. --- That file VB0032.DLL can be found in C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM\ -- I found it in both our Win95 and Win31 systems. It might be a good idea to use the Windows Explorer and copy that file from C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM to the new directory of the gradient program. Newly installed programs (especially shareware) sometimes have trouble finding needed DLL files in \SYSTEM\ ---Curiously mine did not complain when I installed it on the Win95 computer. Maurice.

does any one know how to save and export addresses in the 4.0 printmaster address book? i need to save all entries to a floppy and print out a copy of all like a book for a handy phone and address book.tnks!

Hi Maurice, Saw your post and tried it, found the Tek Gradator, downloaded it and am now getting an error message that a "necessary file, VB40032.DLL is missing". This, of course, is like Greek to me and I just wondered if you have any idea what that means? Stuart left a message later that I just saw and maybe I will just wait until his e-mail comes through and see if that one works. Thanks to all who gave the net address.....Eleanor

D--mn people have to keep changing this page!......I just got on yo list a new URL I found....http.//www.hotfiles.com/hotfiles/0504pets.html....These are VIRTUAL PET screensavers, and a short list of links for them.....enjoy

Linda, so sorry to hear of your friend. Have been there several times myself but find they are still with me in my heart and dreams. Found a great Disney Font, actually each letter is a graphic, free to download. Go to http://members.aol.com/LdyBug76/abc1.html Michelle

Just downloaded Stuarts Demo from Michaels web page and it was really great! Stuart how did you do that? Doreen

Oh, geez, Daisy, you emailed Glenn's socks to me by mistake. Now the family says I am promiscuous and insist I go to "Counseling for Deceipit Citizen's"(CDC for short) 'Course it's free, which is something like a rebate, isn't it? Go to bed, Daisy!! Bev and Shug. (Even Shug is giving me the "evil eye"!)

That's what 5 hours sleep does to you. I meant "have been attending" and further on, "habit OF losing them". Have a GREAT PM day.

But unbeknownst to you I have e-mailed Glenn's socks to him, but I believe Larry's are a hopeless case. I have been attended sockanon where I have learned to break the co-dependency pattern of sock hunting. If we continue to help them find their socks we are only supporting their habit or losing them. Support sockanon by purchasing one of our bumper stickers for the low price of $7.95 which says, "FIND YOUR OWN SOCKS, BUBBA!"

So I am doing laundry with Aunt Snoopy here to help and when the time comes to take it out of the dryer, here is a man's sock with a head shot of Bill Gates for a pattern. Now I haven't had a man in residence for two years and Aunt Snoopy is saying,"Oh, yeah?" Daisy, shame on you, had you run out of places to send Larry's sock? My only recourse is to visit AZ to watch Maurice dance until the furor dies down.On to business, (no chit-chatty) I should have read Michael's tip first about changing PM's. So I guess you put stuff like the Victorian Album in a different directory first. Right? There's so many new software programs out now,it is awesome. Larry, I sent your sock to Daisy's washing machine so she's gonna have to answer her husband's query, "And who's sock is THIS?" Have a "kick your heels" day. Bev and Shug.

I'm away to my mum's for Mothers day... Marty, if you could forward that wrapper to Michael that'd be great... if not, I'll send it when I get back, but that may be a little late on the weekend!! I haven't finished the page of gradients... that's a weekend job too!! And Eleanor, I'll mail a copy of the Tgrad program when I get back too... (The perils of two computers, two email accounts, and no syncronization!!) Regards, Stuart

Well after an entire evening trying to do something that is probably impossible I'm ready to just junk the whole thing and go back to snail mail. Hi Daisy am glad to see your here tonight. I had a dog that I raised from a 2 week puppy and when he got cancer at the age of 10 I just couldn't do what needed to be done. He was so loyal and loving. But when he looked up at me with his big beautiful brown eyes I just couldn't put him through anymore pain. I almost killed me to do it but in my heart of hearts I knew it was for his best and only my own selfishness that made me keep him that long....These little furry friends are as dear at times as our own family...Sorry to be so long winded...Sharon

I have printmaster gold & printmaster platinum. And I would like to know if you can have them both and used them both on your computer. or will one over write the other. Thank you All

You should know by now not to assume anything about a woman. LOL

I'm trying out this new (free) e-mail address from which I should be able to receive attachments - mbgoldberg@usa.net. Please give it a try and send me some more excellent examples ofPrintMaster creativity that I can post in the downloads section! Michael

Evening friend, hadn't heard from you and was wondering how you are. I am much better and thank you. Would say friend Daisy is in bed at this time in Ohio, dreaming how to figure out who's socks are who's and where 'o where might the missing pairs have gone.(LOL)…..Better get ready tho when she wakes up!!!……headin to bed myself…..Grinnin in CA

The Tek Gradator is located on the page <A HREF="http://www.winfiles.com/apps/98/graph-editors.html">http://www.winfiles.com/apps/98/graph-editors.html. Marty & Stuart, I'd love to see the candy bar wrapper that resulted. I'm receiving attachments at JocGold@aol.com for now, until I delete that aol account. Only time for a quick post. G-nite all. Michael

Maybe one of you guru's can help me. I recently downloaded the new version of AOL. Since doing that I have not been able to send any online greetings from my PMP. Prior to the download, I had no trouble sending cards. Has anyone else come up with this problem? Any help is greatly appreciated. Thanks, Jean

Hello Larry it is geting to where you just can't rely on Daisy. She usted to be quick on the come back. I guess she is geting tired. How's the ticker? ....Maurice you are right as usual. Opened in PM. Thanks

Linda, Sorry to here of your loss, keep in mind all the joy she brought to you. debb

Larry, Didn't mean to sound like your post wasn't clear. Just I still have to look up terms to understand what people are saying when they talk computerize. (Our official name for the tech talk at our house) I am getting better though, only have to look up half the time now. I thought with all the software when we bought our computer all I'd have to do is put in cd and play. Now I want to know all, how it works, why it works and how to make it work better. I even took top off and disconnected the cdrom with gateway tech help. My cdrom was bad and they sent me a new one. I haven't installed new one yet, thats for tomorrow, it arrived right before work today and I just got home. i wanted to say thanks again, I really appreciate all the help everyone gives here. You are all terrific. debb

Hi Larry! I am at my SO's computer now and my E-mail is upstairs on mine... will resend tomorrow. Apparently cybermail isn't much more reliable than snail mail!! Time to hit the sack - it is 1:00 AM here. Glad you are feeling better!

Thanks Daisy - it WAS helpful to have 'someone' else to cuddle when I got home from work. She has been back and forth to the vets for the last 2 mos., accupuncture worked for awhile, but not this last time. I could sense that even SHE felt it was 'time' and was tired of fighting. I certainly owed her a release from pain. It was still tough ... thanks for your empathy.

Evening linda, So sorry to hear about a good and loyal friend dying, it is always hard even when you know they will not suffer anymore. No email here that I can find (would you re-send please). Sharon (teddybear) I resent the message again with the attached file as MS Works 4.0, did you get it as garbage also. Would you send me one with an attachment so I can check it out on this end? And yep we're on the same page with humor, thanks(G)….Glenn, my friend, how are we doing and has Daisy got your socks matched yet?…..Maurice, I like the fisherman's analogy, kinda sounded Biblical doesn't it?(LOL)…..Larry

Glad to see somebody is around after all. Actually it is 12:30 AM here, time to hit the sack. I posted awhile back about how to create custom colors. Didn't see a response, but then haven't been here as frequently as I used to. Every time I try to add a custom color, it 'overwrites' the 1st slot. How can I get multiple custom colors?

Sorry to hear about the passing of your furry friend. I know that making that 'final trip' is never easy. Although you will always miss 'the one' may you find comfort in the others you share your life with.

Hi Glen, when you look inside that downloaded file, of course you will find HTML. But open PMG and click on YOUR OWN PROJECTS. (don't open a new one) Then click on FILE and OPEN FROM DISK. Then browse for the download directory and double click on the DEMO.NSW file. It will apear on your page. Beautiful examples of gardients. I also downloaded the small graphics utility Stuart recommended. (from WWW.FILES) It works great. Maurice.

Haven't been on for a few days, glad to see things are back to normal - though not it will take all my spare time to keep up. Looking forward to checking out the gradient program in time for mothers day cards. Great site Michael - you need to add a link to your E-mail address though. At the rate you work, its probably up now, haven't checked in a couple days. Larry> did you get my E-mail? Furry lovers> sad day for me, had to take one of my old 'furries' to her final trip to the vet today. Even when you know it is for the best, its a really tough trip ... Take care all.

Hello room, I'm trying to change the margins for cards or brochures. I have a copy of the instructions that Maurice gave some time ago. He spoke of the line margin style and changing it from 1 to 0 in the configuration section of the c:\pms\pmw.ini file. The problem is I don't know how to get to that point. I am not familuar with DOS. Can I get some help with this. Thanks in advance.

Hello Maurice I just downloaded Stuarts demo from Michaels page and all I got was html garbage. ????????? That opened as nws. What to do?

Stuart read Marty's post about what you did with the candy wrapper, would love to see it. Marty e-mailed me the templete for the wrapper that she made. Hope that you post yours on Michael's web site so we can all see. Doreen

Hi Eleanor the site I was looking on was Michael's site athttp://members.xoom.com/mbgoldberg/ Stuart said he sent a page of the backgrounds to him and then Michael posted them. I am sorry, I didn't understand....Thanks Sharon ,Oh yeah Thanks to Glenn and Larry for trying to help me with the attachments I just can't seem to make them work but it's the thought that counts. Larry sometime my sense of humor gets me into trouble, I was also trying to be funny...S

Hi Eleanor, it is a little involved, but please follow this thread: on the site itself click on WINDOWS SHAREWARE. Then see a paragraph that starts with FIND OUT WHAT'S NEW. Click on the second link NEWEST SHAREWARE. Then in the small GO window, make sure you see WIN 95-98 SOFTWARE and click on GO. Then click on WIN 95 MULTIMEDIA AND GRAPHICS TOOLS. Then under the listing of GRAPHICS TOOLS, click on GRAPHICS EDITORS. And finally find the TEK GRADATOR and download it. There might be a more direct path, but why argue with success, right? Maurice.

Thanx Helen for posting the Kelly paper site. There is a store 10 minutes from me in Concord, Calif. CU Later, Jackie